tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post146564783193481134..comments2024-02-28T16:41:30.442-05:00Comments on Restore-DC-Catholicism: SSPX And Austrilian Bishops - Two Different ErrorsRestore-DC-Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-60045239094699198312019-12-26T23:42:17.139-05:002019-12-26T23:42:17.139-05:00Depends on what constitutes "danger to the Fa...Depends on what constitutes "danger to the Faith" versus "going against overly delicate sensibilities".Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-59902863448720076622019-12-26T23:41:05.758-05:002019-12-26T23:41:05.758-05:00That's a bit of a stretch that I don't bel...That's a bit of a stretch that I don't believe.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-55988007084437447672019-12-26T23:40:06.714-05:002019-12-26T23:40:06.714-05:00Don't hold your breath. I am praying that thi...Don't hold your breath. I am praying that this was a momentary lapse on his part. However, the SSPX's lapse is more than momentary.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-10971002828610829622019-12-26T22:17:18.522-05:002019-12-26T22:17:18.522-05:00Before going into opinions, how about we confirm t...Before going into opinions, how about we confirm that:<br />A. We are discussing the first precept of the Catholic Church<br />B. In principle attendance at any Mass (NO or TLM) where there is sacrilege, heresy and other dangers to the Faith is not required on a Sunday or other Holy Day of Obligation.<br /><br />P^3Tradicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025190176125743817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-1542727308085398622019-12-26T22:08:42.630-05:002019-12-26T22:08:42.630-05:00Let's handle the first assertion first.
The i...Let's handle the first assertion first.<br /><br />The intention is to do what the Church does. In confecting the Eucharist all that is required is: A. Proper form (words), B. Matter (Bread & Wine), C. Intention (to confect the Eucharist) D. A validly ordained priest.<br /><br />The intention to commit sacrilege after the fact is an intention that is separate from the act.<br /><br />Tradicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025190176125743817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-23822310053943959472019-12-26T21:25:41.480-05:002019-12-26T21:25:41.480-05:00It appears they have a pretty good basis for their...It appears they have a pretty good basis for their "opinion" that the NO is a danger to the Faith.<br /><br />Mass attendance has gone from something like 65% to 24% under the Novus Ordo....and the percentage of Catholics who go to Mass AND actually believe in the Real Presence is even less. And don't ignore the precipitous drop in vocations...(except in...wait for it....TraditionalEdison Frisbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595670494917940925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-89375069710329760802019-12-26T19:44:05.756-05:002019-12-26T19:44:05.756-05:00A "valid black mass"? Defective intenti...A "valid black mass"? Defective intention would be present and invalidate that, so toss out that analogy. The SSPX's claim that the NO is inherently a danger to the attendees' faith is, at most, their opinion. Nowhere is their basis for any assumption that their opinion is sacrosanct, beyond question. What is a "danger to the faith" is the abstension from Mass if Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-68967199109207663232019-12-26T12:38:23.895-05:002019-12-26T12:38:23.895-05:00Perhaps I missed this in the comments ... but ...
...Perhaps I missed this in the comments ... but ...<br /><br />Let's be clear - this is not about the Third Commandment - which requires us to keep the Lord's day. Which can be done in number of ways and is guaranteed by attending Mass.<br /><br />This <<< is >>> about the first precept of the Catholic Church - which requires us to "attend Mass on Sundays and holy Tradicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03025190176125743817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-72683379817987253072019-12-25T10:12:03.884-05:002019-12-25T10:12:03.884-05:00Because the SSPX is not the final arbiter for what...Because the SSPX is not the final arbiter for what fulfills the Sunday obligation. The notion that one can skip Mass simply because there is no TLM available is the real spiritual poison.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-39305530693127593112019-12-24T21:17:41.993-05:002019-12-24T21:17:41.993-05:00Why shouldn't the SSPX have disdain for the NO...Why shouldn't the SSPX have disdain for the NO? Look at its fruit. Somewhere in the range of 70 % of self-identified Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence. Lex orandi, lex credendi. That statistic alone should tell us that the NO is spiritual poison. Phlogistonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08522128065489813594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-59028215199604599042019-12-24T12:34:26.226-05:002019-12-24T12:34:26.226-05:00I have no animus against SSPX. They do, however, ...I have no animus against SSPX. They do, however, appear to make a habit of advocating disdain for NO Masses to the point of telling people to skip Mass on Sundays. I am hoping that the archbishop's gaffe was merely a momentary lapse and hope that I am not disappointed. Even with the SSPX, I hope that the council to break the Third Commandment is not emblematic of all of them, but am wary Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-24272811058954734562019-12-24T12:28:41.761-05:002019-12-24T12:28:41.761-05:00It does not. We all know that NO priests can and ...It does not. We all know that NO priests can and do err. That being the case, why on earth should we think that SSPX priests are immune from error?Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-25114294678626175402019-12-24T09:17:21.319-05:002019-12-24T09:17:21.319-05:00It's not a deviation at all - I'm taking y...It's not a deviation at all - I'm taking your argument to its logical conclusion. There was talk of an "Amazon Rite" based on the synod...if following the rubrics (no matter how awful) and a valid consecration are all that matter, then you have no real reason to drive to another parish.....unless such a mass would be injurious to your faith.Edison Frisbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595670494917940925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-59875079576230185062019-12-24T09:10:36.179-05:002019-12-24T09:10:36.179-05:00Hopefully you can now acknowledge the double stand...Hopefully you can now acknowledge the double standard you are applying....the SSPX merits a full tirade for "advocating mortal sin".....Bishop Schneider says essentially the same thing and you say it's "regrettable" and you "respectfully disagree."<br />Why such animus towards the SSPX? Edison Frisbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595670494917940925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-5084328038454595392019-12-24T08:40:15.852-05:002019-12-24T08:40:15.852-05:00You recommend excellent sources in Denzinger and L...You recommend excellent sources in Denzinger and Ludwig Ott! Then too there is the superb Catechism of the Council of Trent. For children the Baltimore Catechism is still available.Liam Ronanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01376666519733160167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-46989516574336449782019-12-24T08:06:35.705-05:002019-12-24T08:06:35.705-05:00We went to the NO for 22 yrs. The Protestantism in...We went to the NO for 22 yrs. The Protestantism in it caused our children to lose the Faith (even after 12 yrs of Catholic schools). Communion in the hand, among other "abuses" makes a child (and majority of adults according to recent polls) lose the Faith. To subject a child to that is akin to child neglect. If we are traveling and cannot go to TLM we do as our SSPX priest said to do: Lori Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12366339807270338109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-29099995230058456672019-12-24T08:05:04.392-05:002019-12-24T08:05:04.392-05:00Violations of the Third Commanment are the offense...Violations of the Third Commanment are the offenses.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-80518758437915972952019-12-24T08:03:29.936-05:002019-12-24T08:03:29.936-05:00The confusion lies with those who think that it is...The confusion lies with those who think that it is acceptable to skip Mass altogether rather than attend a NO, be that NO done ever so correctly. It is in fact a mortal sin.<br />But if it's confusion that you and some others here want, consider this. Many priests offering the TLM, particularly younger ones, were ordaining using the NO rite of ordination. Do you consider their ordinations Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-79233055319110938862019-12-24T01:59:28.037-05:002019-12-24T01:59:28.037-05:00Please, stop spreading the confusion. Be quite, pr...Please, stop spreading the confusion. Be quite, pray, and consult appropriate popes, canon lawyers, and Theologians. You may begin with Denzinger and Ludwig Ott. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-1501155021152774072019-12-23T21:38:26.603-05:002019-12-23T21:38:26.603-05:00Regarding the achievements of the TLM, I agree. T...Regarding the achievements of the TLM, I agree. The issue is what happens on Sunday when the TLM is not available. Is it that hard to stay on topic?Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-22917941581104431952019-12-23T21:35:49.924-05:002019-12-23T21:35:49.924-05:00My! How we deviate from the main point of the pos...My! How we deviate from the main point of the post to justify violation of the Third Commandment. I agree much of the NO is lackluster at best. But you and others seem to be suggesting the worst scenario possible to justify the eschewment of a NO mass even if no other Mass is available. Truth be told, should pachamama come to my parish, I'll drive to another Mass - even if the only other Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-88778400485151022962019-12-23T21:32:57.899-05:002019-12-23T21:32:57.899-05:00The NO may offend us but more importantly it is an...The NO may offend us but more importantly it is an offense against God.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704944620839677383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-22486222187357670542019-12-23T21:28:35.618-05:002019-12-23T21:28:35.618-05:00Whatever, it was regrettable.Whatever, it was regrettable.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-12605200764991030652019-12-23T21:25:44.401-05:002019-12-23T21:25:44.401-05:00The NO may offend us but more importantly it is an...The NO may offend us but more importantly it is an offense against God.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02704944620839677383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-17804975737358672362019-12-23T21:04:04.100-05:002019-12-23T21:04:04.100-05:00Let's be honest, it was more than a "hint...Let's be honest, it was more than a "hint'....Edison Frisbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595670494917940925noreply@blogger.com