tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post7922575441249242430..comments2024-02-28T16:41:30.442-05:00Comments on Restore-DC-Catholicism: Cardinal Dolan Shames His Faith In Front Of MuslimsRestore-DC-Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-45680144167467379602013-08-06T18:58:17.973-04:002013-08-06T18:58:17.973-04:00The CCC 841 teaches the 3 religions PROFESS the sa...The CCC 841 teaches the 3 religions PROFESS the same God,but they certainly do not POSSESS the same God. Profess and possess are 2 ENTIRELY different things. And NO Pope spoke ex cathredra when speaking about that....@MattKozak1https://www.blogger.com/profile/01806834177853734270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-59872781221850621282013-06-23T22:02:31.194-04:002013-06-23T22:02:31.194-04:00You were quoting from Nostra Aetate. Look at Lume...You were quoting from Nostra Aetate. Look at Lumen Gentium, sections 16 & 17. I'm not going to quote and expound the whole thing here (it's done in part in those sections of the Catechism that you omitted from your 1:12 comment). <br /><br />You show a penchant for taking quotes out of context - just as you showed a penchant for putting words into my mouth two months ago with your Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-2386762930506785632013-06-23T21:49:31.872-04:002013-06-23T21:49:31.872-04:00The real question is "do the Muslims agree wi...The real question is "do the Muslims agree with the Church teaching"? If you look at their "shahada" and the way they conduct themselves when a Muslim dares to convert to Christianity, it's obvious they don't.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-83875338065100063062013-06-23T21:21:27.552-04:002013-06-23T21:21:27.552-04:00Consolamini, I read that section. I also read the...Consolamini, I read that section. I also read the following sections too, all the way up to Section 856. You didn't mention those; is that because they give Section 841 a little too much context? To my other readers, please do so (link is to the right).Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-18253211654932654412013-06-23T21:12:24.141-04:002013-06-23T21:12:24.141-04:00This matter is also being discussed on another blo...This matter is also being discussed on another blog, Rorate Caeli at http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/06/cardinal-dolan-to-muslims-dont-lose.html?m=1 <br /><br />Charles at 3:26 yesterday said "I disagree with you about Islam having a rich philosophical history if you are implying that has continued to today. They used to have a rich philosophy but then it was suppressed and did not Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-4959524089807628612013-06-23T18:32:33.128-04:002013-06-23T18:32:33.128-04:00You know, Consolamini, I've been studying Isla...You know, Consolamini, I've been studying Islam and I think, as you say, it has many admirable qualities. And Catholicism, as you point to this fellow DC, has a lot of intolerant people. Furthermore, Islam seems to have quite a bit in common with Christianity. There are quite a few Europeans who are converting to Islam, as I'm sure you've heard. Catholicism is tanking in Europe Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-36757315385994326782013-06-23T16:10:57.578-04:002013-06-23T16:10:57.578-04:00Thomas Aquinas recognized that the Muslims, such a...Thomas Aquinas recognized that the Muslims, such as the Islamic philosophers Averoes & Avecenna, understood God as creator, as supreme being. He wrote the Summa contra gentiles to all of those who understood that, even if they had many erroneous ideas of God, and lacked many true ideas, such as the Fatherhood of God, and Tri-unity of God. Can we be more Catholic than Aquinas, than Popes John Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-56625126572605539132013-06-23T13:12:18.135-04:002013-06-23T13:12:18.135-04:00I am waiting for you to own up to your faulty teac...I am waiting for you to own up to your faulty teaching of what our faith holds. In the meantime, check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church, 841<br />841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adoreConsolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-24564624448118081992013-06-23T08:25:02.662-04:002013-06-23T08:25:02.662-04:00 The Second Vatican Council—and an Ecumenical Coun... The Second Vatican Council—and an Ecumenical Council in Union with the Pope as Vatican II was—is the highest magisterium of the Church and declared: <br />The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-90443519526672606802013-06-23T00:49:36.141-04:002013-06-23T00:49:36.141-04:00You didn't address the point. Popes Francis, ...You didn't address the point. Popes Francis, Benedict XVI, John Paul II, Paul VI, and John XXIII have all said that the three Abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God. Neither they nor I am saying that the three faiths are equally true in doctrine, but the Catholic Church does hold that Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God--the God of Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-79065391616913855602013-06-22T23:40:27.083-04:002013-06-22T23:40:27.083-04:00I don't know about your god, but the One True ...I don't know about your god, but the One True God does not condone jihad, the child-marriages to 9-yr old girls (and rape of the same), beheadings of "infidels". And speaking of "beheadings", if Pope Francis really thinks that Islam is on a par with Christianity, then why did he canonize those 800 Italians who were martyred precisely because they refused to renounce theirRestore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-78672556697664842752013-06-22T23:21:33.675-04:002013-06-22T23:21:33.675-04:00Well I think you need to criticize Pope Francis, P...Well I think you need to criticize Pope Francis, Pope Benedict XVI, Blessed Pope John Paul II, and Pope Paul VI--all of whom said in varous addresses and documents that the three Abrahamic faiths--Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worship the same God (capital G). Moreover if acceptance of the Trinity is a requirement for worshipping the same God, than we do not worship the same "god" Consolaminihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09278560268489520757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-41442994818719289752013-06-22T18:18:58.524-04:002013-06-22T18:18:58.524-04:00They are NOT the same. Islam does not recognize J...They are NOT the same. Islam does not recognize Jesus Christ as being the Second Person of the Trinity. They may claim to honor Him as a prophet, but they hold Him inferior to "allah". That a Prince of the Church failed to acknowledge that is utterly inexcusable.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-45670888315993586832013-06-22T13:41:23.035-04:002013-06-22T13:41:23.035-04:00Do some research on the Aramaic/Syriac origins of ...Do some research on the Aramaic/Syriac origins of the word "Allah". Presently many if not most "Arabic" Christians of the Middle East refer to God as "Allah" which is a derivitive of the Aramaic/Syriac "Elaw". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com