tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post3695501342150082268..comments2024-02-28T16:41:30.442-05:00Comments on Restore-DC-Catholicism: Reverential Behavior At Mass - A Counter Cultural WitnessRestore-DC-Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-1573664063809938172017-06-11T08:14:31.302-04:002017-06-11T08:14:31.302-04:00Alex and now Catherine err in thinking that "...Alex and now Catherine err in thinking that "the heart" can be divorced from integral behaviors such as dress and other reverential behaviors.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-53953069285544313802017-06-10T20:31:00.683-04:002017-06-10T20:31:00.683-04:00Very good, Alex. I agree Very good, Alex. I agree Kikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06152423624452881352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-31213952388423841992017-06-08T07:20:32.656-04:002017-06-08T07:20:32.656-04:00Dress is not innate appearance as is height or fac...Dress is not innate appearance as is height or facial structure. Dress is behavior. One makes a conscious decision regarding their attire. It is reflective of a person's values, attitudes, priorities. You're obfuscating the difference between innate characteristic and voluntary behavior. Dress is just as much an indicator of character as is courtesy in speech.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-34637208977704138212017-06-07T22:17:46.514-04:002017-06-07T22:17:46.514-04:00But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider...But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." 1 samuel 16:7<br /> You are judging everybody by their outward attire and saying they don't love God as much as those who are 'dressed up'. the 'Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161036692483347543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-64659935150965915252017-06-07T13:18:37.287-04:002017-06-07T13:18:37.287-04:00At weekday Masses one may have no choice but to we...At weekday Masses one may have no choice but to wear work-mandated attire. I'm speaking more of the Sunday Mass, one of the most important (if not THE most important) events of our week. ALEX, Holy Mass is not a matter of "personal preferences" but of giving to God our sole attention.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-28516063822600855932017-06-07T10:28:58.344-04:002017-06-07T10:28:58.344-04:00Wow! Alex, you accuse Janet of judging, but your c...Wow! Alex, you accuse Janet of judging, but your comments are filled with name-calling and condescending judgments. All this post did was encourage reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. I don't agree with all of Janet's standards. I think sandals for women (not flip-flops) and collared shirts for men during the summer are appropriate attire. But her overall message is on target. I try to Mary Ann Kreitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-7857779278818255562017-06-07T10:21:25.723-04:002017-06-07T10:21:25.723-04:00Alex, you are right about the importance of the di...Alex, you are right about the importance of the disposition of the heart being paramount, but often our disposition is reflected by what we wear and how we act. Remember the parable about the wedding feast? The man who came in without the wedding garment was thrown out into the darkness. At that time, hosts would provide the garments so there was no excuse to come into the banquet without proper Mary Ann Kreitzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18245237845099708478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-25188242940712147662017-06-06T23:57:45.055-04:002017-06-06T23:57:45.055-04:00The disposition of the heart is implied in one'...The disposition of the heart is implied in one's outward conduct - and yes, dress is conduct. You seem to set up this false dichotomy between "the heart" and outward reverential conduct. In reality, you really don't have one without the other. In the "good old days" as you call them, when one "worried obsessively" as you say, we had packed churches, more Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-55190866748755036812017-06-06T19:00:16.714-04:002017-06-06T19:00:16.714-04:00IN the Gospel of Luke, chapter 6 v 44, Jesus speak...IN the Gospel of Luke, chapter 6 v 44, Jesus speaks about the heart when he says: "The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; I hope that this verse will help to illustrate the point of my original response asking why the heart is not mentioned in the list of what is appropriate at Mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-88070767792999370302017-06-06T18:28:54.265-04:002017-06-06T18:28:54.265-04:00There's a difference between changing laws ver...There's a difference between changing laws versus disregarding them. However, this post wasn't about Church law per se, but the reverence due to the Second Person of the Trinity and His Real Presence in the Blessed Sacrament. That seems to irk you.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-12859038387940305812017-06-06T18:01:25.588-04:002017-06-06T18:01:25.588-04:00Yes, they tested him to see if he would follow the...Yes, they tested him to see if he would follow the Law which is what you are doing judging everyone who doesn't meet your pontifications as not be reverent enough. The Church made laws and it can change them they didn't come down from Mt. Sinai or even heaven. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-1128660045569095832017-06-06T16:20:58.309-04:002017-06-06T16:20:58.309-04:00There are too few to fight these Modernists. I lik...There are too few to fight these Modernists. I like the idea of of going to a Traditional Latin Mass better, which in fact is what I have done! I can no longer stand the Novos Ordo mass. It's to Protestant for my liking. (p/s: I am a Deacon)jmbutkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07667243972751647346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-1256837164227309832017-06-06T08:01:19.327-04:002017-06-06T08:01:19.327-04:00Alex, you are misreading the parable of the woman ...Alex, you are misreading the parable of the woman brought before Jesus. It says quite plainly that they brought her there to test Jesus. Their problem lay not in following the letter of the law but in their refusal to acknowledge and worship Him Who is the Supreme Lawgiver. Read the suggestions again. All of them have to do with giving to Jesus our sole attention and reverence, and making it Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-5062133833953605762017-06-06T05:54:11.401-04:002017-06-06T05:54:11.401-04:00Correct, D.C.
As the catechism says:
1373 "...Correct, D.C.<br /><br />As the catechism says:<br /><br />1373 "Christ Jesus, who died, yes, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us," is present in many ways to his Church: in his word, in his Church's prayer, "where two or three are gathered in my name," in the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned, in the sacraments of Catechist Kevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04692973475298278544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-84329904181987206692017-06-06T02:22:59.433-04:002017-06-06T02:22:59.433-04:00Well you are probably right. I am still trying to ...Well you are probably right. I am still trying to master this machine...R-DC-C You are so right, the presence of Our Lord in the Blessed sacrament is His Real and Corporeal Presence, That is he is present in His Body,Blood, soul and Divinity. It really is a mistake to compare His presence in Our Brothers and Sisters with that presence in the Tabernacle> I have often hears Priests say the it geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-64141046431585680182017-06-06T00:24:57.041-04:002017-06-06T00:24:57.041-04:00according to your viewpoint, you would have stoned...according to your viewpoint, you would have stoned the woman caught in adultery because that was what the law of Moses required. But Jesus brought the 'spirit of the law'. What a vastly different response he had than those who wanted to follow the letter of the law. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-42350921069502745202017-06-05T23:03:07.767-04:002017-06-05T23:03:07.767-04:00In that tabernacle is His Real Presence, much more...In that tabernacle is His Real Presence, much more real than in others. The "laws" that you seem to deride are instituted by His Church, with His Authority. Thumb your nose at them and you have thumbed your nose at Jesus Himself.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-16514962414423275442017-06-05T23:00:30.174-04:002017-06-05T23:00:30.174-04:00I put up everything of yours that appeared in my c...I put up everything of yours that appeared in my combox. Perhaps you didn't save it properly?Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-67128746381959787792017-06-05T20:55:55.309-04:002017-06-05T20:55:55.309-04:00PS..... Please tell me where I have violated your ...PS..... Please tell me where I have violated your criteria, that you would delete my earlier comment. I have no wish to be disrespectful or discourteous nor promote dissent from the Magisterium. Speaking forcefully and with zeal in defense of the Bride of Christ should not be censored. geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-36813776318661312032017-06-05T20:47:39.727-04:002017-06-05T20:47:39.727-04:00I see where you have deleted my reference to the c...I see where you have deleted my reference to the comparison between the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Novus Ordo Missea. May I suggest that it is this very reluctance to tackle a problem because somebody' sensitivities maybe upset, is at the heart of a very mediocre '(c)urch that exists today<br />I asked earlier " Where is the outrage?" I was right there is none.<br />I geoff kiernanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672561396425844241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-66912665560578103642017-06-05T19:39:06.482-04:002017-06-05T19:39:06.482-04:00your words haven't stung anything. Jesus is in...your words haven't stung anything. Jesus is in our brothers and sister as well not just the tabernacle. actually i have pity for you. you are as blind as the pharisees who killed the real Jesus because they could not rocognize him since they were so focused on all the "Laws of Moses" that he broke. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-72801162683668764612017-06-05T19:25:01.714-04:002017-06-05T19:25:01.714-04:00I take it you're a priest. Father, thank you ...I take it you're a priest. Father, thank you for protecting the dignity of the Church. Please don't let up. Are there some laypeople whom you could enlist to help you?Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-64192872211923534042017-06-05T19:23:21.125-04:002017-06-05T19:23:21.125-04:00Alex, your attempts to set up false dichotomies be...Alex, your attempts to set up false dichotomies between "heart" and "external" is feeble and falls flat on its face. The disposition of heart is manifest by these "externals" as you so sneeringly call them. As for judging, we are most certainly supposed to evaluate behaviors. What I listed above are behaviors. If you are "greeting friends"and having &Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-91470446974357020062017-06-05T18:41:23.994-04:002017-06-05T18:41:23.994-04:00I am wondering why there is no mention of the what...I am wondering why there is no mention of the what the disposition of a person's heart should be at Mass. Isn't this more important than wearing formal attire, worrying about "heresies" in the hymns, and glaring at the priest if he makes an attempt at humor? After all, didn't the Pharisees do all external things correctly, i.e. dressed appropriately and performed all the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3528170608960559102.post-18763178723386386672017-06-05T15:23:55.410-04:002017-06-05T15:23:55.410-04:00I tried to get my parish to do this, and two paris...I tried to get my parish to do this, and two parishioners went to the local Dean of the Clergy to complain. He then told me it's "normal" for folks to carry on in the church nowadays! jmbutkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07667243972751647346noreply@blogger.com