Monday, June 28, 2021

Accepting The Vaccine Is Complicity With Organ Harvesting From Aborted Babies

Please listen to this homily from Father Dominic Clovis from Toronto, Canada.  As far as I'm concerned, his arguments from Church teaching cannot be refuted.



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  1. jmbutkJune 29, 2021 at 9:05 AM

    How long before his bishop silences him?

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  2. pjotrJune 29, 2021 at 6:02 PM

    What does fr. Dominic Clovis do with so many medicines and other products that were developped with HEK293 cel lines (stemming from an aborted baby)? This goes from ibuprofen to insulin. Everybody - including fr. Clovis - is using these kind of medicines. Is it not a too heavy burden, laid on the shoulders of the faithful, to demand that we know of all medicines their genesis and to be able to judge the morality of it? Where in the Gospel does Christ asks this from us? I think the theory of fr. Clovis is understandable but unrealistic and impossible to live.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJune 29, 2021 at 8:32 PM

      Everybody uses them? Don't you think you're painting with an overly broad brush? I certainly don't, for one. As for knowing the different medicines, it's not too difficult to google them and/or have a frank discussion with a physician. I'd recommend Children of God For Life (cogforlife.org) as a resource.

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  3. A.A. CunninghamJuly 3, 2021 at 3:06 PM

    "Where in the Gospel does Christ asks(sic) this from us?"

    "... And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: ..." Jesus Christ, Luke 12:48

    "And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57

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  4. A.A. CunninghamJuly 3, 2021 at 3:15 PM

    "Where in the Gospel does Christ asks(sic) this from us?"

    "... And unto whomsoever much is given, of him much shall be required: ..." Jesus Christ, Luke 12:48

    "And why even of yourselves, do you not judge that which is just?" Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57

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  5. Michael OrtizJuly 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM

    In regard to remote material cooperation with evil, if there is a "proportionate good" involved one may use vaccines developed from an illicitly gathered cell line--this from 2005 document Dignitatis Personae. When all this is in the rearview window, many trads are going to look really foolish in their rigorist position on the vaccines as it discredits the rest of their many sound positions.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 17, 2021 at 3:13 PM

      The covid vaccines were made with the usage of the bodies of murdered babies. That is not "rigorist", but undeniable fact. Whether or not we look "foolish" is irrelevant because truth stands on its own merits. I also do not concern myself about being "discredited" for that same reason.

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  6. Michael OrtizJuly 17, 2021 at 3:30 PM

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 17, 2021 at 4:02 PM

      What will discredit the Faith is deviance from truth. No need justifies the murder of a baby. As for "look", that is 100% the decision of the looker. Did Our Lord concern Himself with hoe He "looked" to the Pharisees and rulers of His day? Neither should we.

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  7. Michael OrtizJuly 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM

    In all honesty, yes, but it's more complicated than that. I really think you should read a little more on these subjects before commenting in public.

    See the Summa, by the way, on appearances:

    A thing is said to be less right, not because something else surpasses it in rectitude, but because it has some lack of rectitude, either through being evil in itself, such as sin, or through having an appearance of evil. Thus, for instance, if a man were to "sit at meat in the idol's temple" (1 Corinthians 8:10), though this is not sinful in itself, provided it be done with no evil intention, yet, since it has a certain appearance of evil, and a semblance of worshipping the idol, it might occasion another man's spiritual downfall. Hence the Apostle says (1 Thessalonians 5:22): "From all appearance of evil refrain yourselves." Scandal is therefore fittingly described as something done "less rightly," so as to comprise both whatever is sinful in itself, and all that has an appearance of evil.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 17, 2021 at 6:57 PM

      So what you say about scandal can easily be applied to taking the morally tainted vaccine.

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  8. Michael OrtizJuly 17, 2021 at 8:23 PM

    Except that JPII (and Ratzinger) said it wasn't "morally tainted" in the way you say it is. You really need to read more.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 18, 2021 at 9:15 AM

      They did not comment on the covid vaccines. JP2 has been dead for some time now and we haven't heard Benedict speak for some time now. I am curious. You seem to be quite vested in getting me to say that the vaccine is licit. Did you take the vaccine??

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  9. Michael OrtizJuly 18, 2021 at 9:28 AM

    My goodness. You mean you can't actually draw conclusions from the 2005 document? I did misspeak in my previous comment but the principles in DH 2005 certainly apply to the mRNA vaccines for Covid.

    I wish you well. I support TLM's everywhere. I read 19th century Popes. But for all the world, I am dismayed at the lack of understanding you show towards these issues.

    I did indeed get the vaccine. I'm not interested in convincing you of anything. I just wish you'd show more awareness of the issues involved.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 18, 2021 at 3:34 PM

      You got the vaccine? I suspected as much. I don't know whether or not you were aware of the usage of murdered babies at the time of your injection(s) so the issue of culpability is obviously between you and God, although your seeming obsession with getting me to admit its licity hints of a guilty conscience. However, your attempts to pretend that the vaccines are morally licit fall flat on their face. I am quite aware of the issues involved, thank you very much.

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  10. Michael OrtizJuly 18, 2021 at 3:57 PM

    Rash judgment is a sin.

    You need some help. For you dishonor with your ignorance the Traditions you think you are furthering.

    Good day.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 18, 2021 at 9:13 PM

      Judgment? Read again. I merely broached the possibility of your culpability, not its certainty. As for rash judgment, "you need some help" and "dishonor and ignorance" might fit that definition.

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  11. Michael OrtizJuly 18, 2021 at 3:58 PM

    I would also add that your raving ignorance is what gives Traditional Catholics a bad name in many parts. Shameful!!!

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismJuly 18, 2021 at 9:14 PM

      I suppose you're entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is. Mr. Ortiz, I hope you enjoyed seeing your comments and name published on this blog, for your last one has been released.

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