Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Obama Voters And Hell

Stephen Schneck and others of "katholycs for Obama", please take note!  Click here if you can't see embedded video.

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  1. AnonymousSeptember 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM

    Is a Catholic going to listen to Michael Voris or Pope Benedict, Cardinal Dolan, Cardinal McCarrick, Cardinal Wuerl, Father Jenkins, etc. etc. etc. If so, why not Martin (all miked up) Luther, Billy Graham or Oral Roberts etc., etc. etc.? Of the four sins that cry out for vengeance (unjust murder, sexual immorality (sodomy), oppression of poor, cheating wage earners) voting for Romney is definitely a vote for 2 and arguably a vote for 3 and 4. According to Romney's sister, Romney will do nothing (but talk) regarding abortion. What "pro lifers" will get for their vote is that, the HHS contraception mandate will be gone on day one (the Bishops are betting they can get that eliminated and still get all their Democrat lucre). When year in and year out one million babies are aborted regardless of Democrat/Republican administration and Catholic Chief Justice Roberts states during his confirmation hearing that abortion is "settled law", (i.e. he is not contemplating making it illegal any time soon and even those judges appointed by Republicans accept abortion) and any time a Republican candidate opposes abortion in all instances Republican party refuses support, it becomes increasingly difficult to state that abortion trumps everything in determining vote and makes it at least arguable that Democrats are doing something to reduce abortion by "helping the poor" and giving out free contraception.

    I applaud MV's aims (and deplore the treatment he has rec'd from "Catholic" church), but he, himself, does not seem to realize the personal sacrifice required to become a preacher of the Gospel of Jesus Christ - he seems just to want to tell other people what to do so once the church shapes up he can get on w/real business of his life (which is secular not religious). It's like the kids shouting at each other: you do it, no, you do it, I told you first, and nobody's doing anything but talking (and ALL going to hell).

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismSeptember 26, 2012 at 7:25 PM

      Anonymous, I've read this several times and for the life of me, I cannot fathom what you're trying to say. It just rambles on and on. For your first paragraph, would you please sum it up in one sentence?

      As far as Voris "not realizing the personal sacrifice required" and "real business of his life", I don't see the basis for this opinion of yours.

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  2. Andrea KentSeptember 27, 2012 at 12:39 AM

    I think Anonymous is saying that Romney is insufficiently conservative for his tastes. Just hazarding a guess; it doesn't seem very clear.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismSeptember 27, 2012 at 10:58 PM

      If that's what he's saying, he'd better mortify his taste buds. The menu, with its two choices, is what it is, like it or lump it.

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  3. AnonymousSeptember 27, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    HHS mandate's lowest common denominator is very low; it kills people and asks us to pay people who for whatever reason want to do this terrible deed. you cant say hitler/obama was good because his laws focused on germans'/born people's financial wellbeing.

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  4. AnonymousSeptember 27, 2012 at 9:57 PM

    IMV is NOT the pope nor is he a bishop. With what authority is he making this statement: “You cannot vote for Obama and remain a faithful l Catholic.”
    In response to this criticism he purports to guide “fake Catholics” in how to cast their vote. He lists three disqualifiers: slavery, child porn and racism. Obviously he believes his audience is privileged, single, childless, upper middle class, middle-aged, white, Catholic college grads. On the other hand I have recently rec’dan email from some prolifer that Romney-Ryan better lay off the Medicare cuts because these seniors need that money. How is she going to vote? I know many blue collar union folks who have NEVER voted for a Republican and never will. Many Catholics consider the Democrat party their father the same way they consider the Catholic Church their mother.
    Then MV adds abortion as the fourth dis qualifier and states: “no way in hades can you justify voting for a murderer of children” –One of the prolife leaders at my Catholic parish not only had an Ehrlich bumper sticker on her car but she argued w/an evangelical Murphy supporter for 40 minutes trying to convince her not to “throw her vote away” by writing in “Murphy”. Is this Catholic going to hell? Catholic Andy Harris supported Ehrlich. Is he going to hell too?
    “Those fake Catholics defending Obama and disagreeing that abortion is an automatic disqualifier are hiding their own personal sins behind the cover of Obama’s rhetoric. They will not admit that abortion is an evil that should be outlawed” (Even Chief Justice Roberts (Republican “Catholic” appointee) stated that abortion is “settled law” and Romney’s sister has said that Romney will do nothing to outlaw abortion. Catholic Paul Ryan’s first VP act was to heave Todd Akin under the bus. So how is voting for Romney a vote to outlaw abortion? Will the number of abortions be any less next year if Romney is elected?)
    But MV continues: “nope, they’re covering up something in their personal lives these fake Catholics. Maybe they’ve had an abortion themselves and they refuse to admit the evil of it or they’ve helped someone else to obtain one and they refuse to deal with that or they’re using birth control or living with their partner straight or gay or don’t see a problem with same sex marriage or at the very least civil unions. In short unlike all of us who sin quite regularly they don’t repent of their sin and don’t even accept that it is a sin. Their intellects have been darkened by their living in a perpetual state of sin. Sin is evil and when people live in sin day in and day out, the lights go out. They can’t see straight or think clearly any more. How much do you want to bet that these same people who responded to our facebook page and said they were Catholic either haven’t set foot in a church on Sunday for years or haven’t said a rosary or gone to confession or done any spiritual reading from the saints or fathers or doctors of the church? Nope, that’s what actual Catholics do. Fake Catholics don’t and that’s the difference. Fake Catholics or phony Catholics have no real regard for the Church because they are continually challenged to throw away their birth control (NOT!)

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  5. AnonymousSeptember 27, 2012 at 9:59 PM

    (cont.) "...or kick out their live-in, unmarried partner or a host of other eternal life threatening evils. Bottom line they just don’t want to. So they make a choice and live their lives by that choice – doesn’t mean they’re beyond redemption: of course, they’re not. But it does mean they’re beyond its effects until they change. And that’s what’s sad about their support for Obama. It’s not really about supporting the most incompetent man to ever occupy the oval office. It’s about hiding behind him to continue in a life of sin. Please pray for all of them, all of us. One day this election won’t matter. America will have moved off the world stage sooner or later and Obama will just be another name in the history books under the caption of rotten leaders but eternity will still be here and so will the fires of hell for those who would not repent from their sins. God love you. I’m Michael Voris “
    MV stated recently that more than half the U.S. bishops voted for Obama in 2008. Is he suggesting they had an abortion or helped someone have an abortion or are living w/someone or on birth control? Is he suggesting that these bishops are not faithful Catholics? I feel for MV because he is getting the cold shoulder and it will get worse and he will probably crash and burn like Fr. Healy and many others. However, posting that sign and then ranting about people’s sins is not the way to convert anyone. One of the first duties of a Christian is to always attribute charitable motives to others. There is a way to educate people on the evils of abortion and a way to offer them help. There is also a way to educate Catholics on how to cast their vote. Unfortunately, I think this is one of the worst videos MV has ever done. I hope he finds his niche and sticks to it (today’s video much better). If I were his friend, I would have a serious talk w/him.
    MV is also very careful not to put advocacy of homosexual acts on his list, because Romney has been working for homosexuals in the boy scouts since 1994. Romney in the primaries was going to reinstate DADT; but Catholic Paul Ryan just this week stated that reversing open gays in the military would be a step backward. A bishop has said the Republican platform contains no advocacy of intrinsic evils – but he could not state that about Romney-Ryan the candidates. MV has stated we have to hold our nose and vote RR this election and should start another party after the election, but to me if voting for a pro abort will send you to hell, why not voting for a lukewarm anti-abort, pro homosexual?
    P.S. I would probably NOT post this.

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    1. Restore-DC-CatholicismSeptember 27, 2012 at 10:57 PM

      "Murphy" is Brian Murphy. I supported him too - in the primary. When he lost the primary to Ehrlich, Murphy had the grace and common sense to throw his support behind Ehrlich. If you're talking of "write-in", I assume you're talking of the general election. While it can be argued that she threw her vote away and it was most imprudent, at least Murphy believed in Judeo-Christian principles.

      As far as "you cannot vote for Obama and be a faithful Catholic", that's nothing more than common sense. Really now! Must I recite the litany of liberalized baby-murder (for which our tax dollars will pay), pandering to the gay lifestyle (and who knows what other perversions in the future), kissing up to NARAL and Planned Parenthood, etc etc? These are sins against the natural law. A supporter of such sins merits the vote of no one. One who votes for such a supporter takes on the dubious mantle of supporting these sins - and thus commits sin him/herself. By what authority? It's called common sense my friend.

      You questioned whether bishops who voted for Obama are faithful Catholics - or rather Voris's opinion of them. That is a question. My own bishop actually punished one of his priests when the latter obeyed Canon 915 last Lent (see my Feb/March posts).

      You said that "one of the first duties of a Christian is to always attribute charitable motives to others". Really? Where is that stated in the Catechism? No, we're not supposed to wear rose-colored glasses. We must evaluate the actions of others by objective moral standards. I understand he's getting the "cold shoulder". So what? It's part of the price of proclaiming the truth (are you the same anon who quipped about Voris not realizing the "personal sacrifice required"? If so, I believe you just answered your own question.) As far as your last question, please take a look at the post I wrote Sept 27, along with the other material to which I linked.

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